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The Real Rick Perry------ What We Aren't Being Told---- Part 1

Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:06 PM EDT
politics, republican, jobs, benefits, rick-perry, record
By DocPhil
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This is going to take more space than most articles here on the vine. I promised a good number of people that I would do some research on Rick Perry and publish an article on the Governor's real record in Texas. I am going to make good on my promise here. The amount of information that I've found will take at least two articles.  For the record, the quotes that I am using come from Governor Perry's own speeches. When I use someone else's speeches, I will quote the person and where possible, the specific source. The statistical analysis that I will be using come from a rather lengthy report entitled "Texas On The Brink" which was published by the non-partisan Texas Legislative Study Group in 2011. The biographical information that I am using comes from Wikipedia. No quotes or controversial information was taken from Wikipedia since there is no peer verification available.

With that stated, here is the real background on Governor Rick Perry {R, Tx}.

Rick Perry is the longest serving governor in the history of the state of Texas, having suceeded George W. Bush in 2000 and winning re-election in 2002, 2006 and 2010. He was born in West Texas, went to school at Texas A&M, graduated with an undistinguished academic record and proceeded to join the Air Force where he served from 1972 to 1977, leaving with the rank of Captain. He is married with two children.

Perry began his political career as a Democrat in 1984 when elected to the Texas House of Representatives. He supported Al Gore for President in 1988. He changed his registration to Republican in 1989 and proceeded to be elected Agriculture Commissioner and Lieutenant Governor before assuming the Governor's role in 2000. Throughout this period, Perry's politics became increasingly conservative.

As governor, Perry has touted the rapid job growth in the state of Texas as the achievement that sets his administration apart from every other state. That achievement has not come without cost. Governor Perry fails to talk about the rest of the record of Texas under his administration. I am more than willing to discuss that record.

The most controversial area of Governor Perry's agenda has been his religious revivalism. The governor has always been a man of faith, but the question of whether his faith dicatates his politics is open to debate. In the Longview News Journal on 2/22/2002, Governor Perry said the following:

I want people of faith on my side, not just voting on election day, but by hoisting me up by getting down on your knees and lifting me in prayer. Those who have a different point of view of things are already organizing against me .

His reliance on religion continued to increase and by 2005:

This I know. He who counts every hair on our heads and every drop in the oceans. He who knows the number of our days and every thought before it enters our heads, this all-knowing, all-powerful creator loves us so much that there is  no matter so trivial or so small that we can't surrender it to him and say, "Father, your will be done!" I certainly know this to be the heartfelt prayer of this governor.

By 2011, Perry had moved so far to the right when it came to his peculiar mix of politics and religion that he decided to invite the other 49 governors to his 'Response' Prayer Rally in Houston on August 6. Perry openly managed to curry support from the hate group American Family Association. He tried to let people know that it was not government sponsoring religion, but that was even refuted by Eric Bearse, a spokesman for 'Response' and Perry's former communication director.

A lot of people want to criticize what we're doing, as if we're somehow being exclusive of other faiths. But anyone who comes to this solemn assembly regardless of their faith tradition or background will feel the love, grace, and warmth of Jesus Christ in that assembly hall, in that arena. And that's what we want to convey, that there's acceptance and that there's love and that there's hope if people will seek out the living Christ. And that's the message we want to spread in that in-gathering.

Not exactly a message of love and acceptance of non-Christian faiths.

Now faith is one thing, but what about the application of Governor Perry's faith? Well, a few quotes followed by a few statistics might help to demonstrate Governor Perry's belief system in action.

On school prayer:

Why not? They took it out. They can sure put it back in.

From my personal perspective, I think that a prayer life and a country and their schools must respect a higher being. Our God makes us a stronger country.

The governor has frequently led public prayer in Texas public schools at the risk of lawsuit for violating the separation of church and state.

On Intelligent Design and Creationism

I am a firm believer in intelligent design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside to theories of evolution. The State Board of Education has been charged with the task of adopting curriculum requirements for Texas public schools and recently adopted guidelines that call for the examination of all sides of a scientific theory, which will encourage critical thinking in our state's children.

Perry then went on to immediately appoint three staunchly conservative evolution deniers to the State Board of Education.

On Sex Education

I'm just going to tell you from my own personal life, abstinence works. And the point is, if we're not teaching it, and we're not impressing it on them, it won't work.

96% of Texas schools teach abstinence only. Texas has the third highest percentage of teenage pregnancies in the country, which costs the state 1.2 billion dollars in health costs per year.

On School Choice

I will tell you point blank that I will not allow a local school board to stop from allowing parental choice to happen in their community, when we make school choice the law of the land.

Since 2004, the Perry administration has introduced over two dozen school choice measures in the Texas legislature.

Some other education statistics:

Texas ranks 50th in the nation in students with a High School diploma. They are 43rd in the nation in High School graduation rate. Their SAT scores rank 49th for verbal and 46th for math. Texas ranks 47th in the nation in state aid per pupil. They rank 43rd on spending on the arts.

Governor Perry does a tremendous job talking about job creation and the wonderful climate for jobs that has been created in Texas. The question is who does this job creation help? Is it the worker in Texas or is it Governor Perry's corporate friends? What is the miracle of job creation in Texas all about?

It can not be disputed that jobs have been created in Texas. The problem is they are not good jobs. Governor Perry's Texas is a pro-business, non-union, non-benefit state. It is a state that has been willing to place itself into a 25 billion dollar hole [the third highest percentage deficit of any state} and is willing to cut 10 billion dollars from their already paltry education budget to stay business friendly. But what are the other statistics that make Texas so friendly toward minimum wage job creation?

Texas ranks: 50th in the percentage of residents with health insurance; 46th in income disparity; 48th in percentage of employees with employer based health insurance; 47th in individuals with employer based retirement plans;' 40th in hourly wages for manufacturing employees; 41st in union membership; 50th in workman's compensation benefits. Some of the things that Texas leads the way for employers include: ranking 1st in CO2 emissions; 1st in toxins released in the atmosphere; and 1st in hazardous waste generation.

This is just scratching the surface of Governor Perry's record. As I'm writing this, I'm realizing that I will have to write a second article tomorrow to talk about the Texas record on Women's issues, health and welfare, senior citizens, gun control, home ownership and same sex marriage. We are going to hear an airbrushed account of Perry's record. The real record has to be put out there. This is a man who has driven Texas to the brink of disaster and the numbers back it up.

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DocPhil

a lot here..... your thoughts and comments..... CoH please

  • 20 votes
#1 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:09 PM EDT
BAD1V

Governor Perry is just the latest Far Right Wing nut to come along. He will flame fast and burn out just like Trump & Palin and the rest. As more people read articles like yours they will see what he really is all about.

  • 38 votes
#1.1 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:36 PM EDT
NativeAmerican-1289371

Parry has a pretty mouth. (oink oink)

  • 20 votes
#1.2 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:55 PM EDT
Pat from Montana

Thanks Doc. All I can say is wow! And I am sure there is a lot more out there. I still think he would be better off Preacher Perry, than Preacher President Perry. That is just not an acceptable to me. church n state and all that .........

  • 25 votes
#1.3 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:55 PM EDT
ffeineandsugar

Frightening stuff - clipping to my articles so I have this for future reference. Thanks!

  • 19 votes
#1.4 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:11 PM EDT
landspirit

Great article, Doc, revealing and informative.

  • 17 votes
#1.5 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:03 PM EDT
SAtownMytown

He will flame fast and burn out just like Trump & Palin and the rest.

^^^ Let's hope! :)

Great article, DocPhil! Keep up the good work!

  • 16 votes
#1.6 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:34 PM EDT
PCMan-615609

He will flame fast and burn out just like Trump & Palin and the rest.

^^^ Let's hope! :)

I bet you do........ 8 )

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:58 PM EDT
BAD1V

Can you provide any reason we should not believe so. All the other Far Right Wing Teapublicans flame out. Perry is more Far Right than most.

  • 15 votes
#1.8 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:06 PM EDT
skeptic-227981

Doc, could you add your info links to the article I wrote earlier today to help round out the picture I also presented please? And feel free to copy any links from it that might interest you in your article.

Thanks.

  • 7 votes
#1.9 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:43 PM EDT
Kate In Greensboro

Please clarify/expand on this from the next-to-last paragraph:

46th in income disparity;

  • 5 votes
#1.10 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:51 AM EDT
CMlawyer

Unfortunately, Perry has NOT flamed out yet. The longest running governor in TX, having already been re-elected three times. He's gutting education, instituting state religion, and getting re-elected. And he didn't do the Palin quit. You can dream about him burning out, but I am having nightmares about the conflagration he will produce. Hopefully not all the way to the WH, but scary, scary, scary.

  • 11 votes
#1.11 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:30 AM EDT
whatthetruth52

Not a very Christ-like person... he is a hypocrite and liar. He gives lip service to his religion and nothing else. I am sure he has not read the bible cover to cover and if he has then he is twice damned for not following the word of his god. There are several places in the bible that speak of judgement being based on how we treat the least of men in our society. He treats them like hell and that is how he will be judged.

Being a former christian gives one a whole new perspective on how people use religion to manipulate the general public.... Perry will go far because Christians want to believe in him... they are believing in a false prophet...

  • 8 votes
#1.12 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:44 AM EDT
DocPhil

Kate....

Income disparity is the difference between those in the management sector and the worker sector of the industrial / agricultural / service / manufacturing sectors of the economy. It varies from state to state. It usually is the lowest in union organized states and is the highest in right-to-work states.

  • 10 votes
#1.13 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:46 AM EDT
NJhome

Thank you for the information; I don't expect he will get far in the election race.

Perry and Bauchman will show themselves as fools very soon.

  • 9 votes
#1.14 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:53 AM EDT
Kate In Greensboro

DocPhil - I know what income disparity is - I was suprised that Texas rated 46th - I would have thought it would rate much, much higher. (As in, if it were a positive thing, like income parity, I would expect TX to rate low.)

  • 7 votes
#1.15 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:54 AM EDT
mountainmike-1199289

Rick Perry: A Record to Run on -- or Run From?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-j-ognibene/rick-perry-2012_b_926787.html

In declaring his presidential candidacy in Charleston, SC, on Saturday, Texas Governor Rick Perry made clear that he is running on his record of 10 years in office.

But an objective look at the state of the State of Texas suggests he would be better off running away from his record.

In his announcement in Charleston, Perry said,

Since June of 2009, Texas is responsible for more than 40 percent of all of the new jobs created in America. Now think about that. We're home to less than 10 percent of the population in America, but forty percent of all the new jobs were created in that state.

Yet in its ongoing report, Texas on the Brink: A Report from the Texas Legislative Study Group On the State of Our State, members of the Texas House of Representatives provided these employment-related statistics from their state (where 50th is the lowest and 1st is the highest):

  • Average Hourly Earnings of Production Workers on Manufacturing Payrolls - 38th
  • Government Employee Wages and Salaries - 24th
  • Percent of Workforce that are Members of a Union - 41st
  • Workers' Compensation Coverage - 50th

U.S. Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas, is not impressed with Perry's record as a job creator:

He's cutting services in order to maintain really low tax rates, and so many of the jobs he's created are these minimum-wage jobs, not these living-wage jobs. I think he has, as they would say here in Texas, plenty of 'splaining to do about his positions.

No matter. In the magical world envisioned by Gov. Perry, "we'll create jobs and we'll build wealth, we'll truly educate and innovate in science, and in technology, engineering and math."
His record on education, however, belies his rhetoric:

  • Average Salary of Public School Teachers (2009-2010) - 31st
  • Current Expenditures per Student - 38th
  • State & Local Expenditures per Pupil in Public Schools - 44th
  • State Aid Per Pupil in Average Daily Attendance - 47th
  • Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) Scores - 45th
  • Percent of Population 25 and Older with a High School Diploma - 50th
  • High School Graduation Rate - 43rd

On health care, Gov. Perry said he would,

send a message to Washington that we're taking our future back from the grips of central planners who would control our healthcare, who would spend our treasure, who downgrade our future and micro-manage our lives....

And we will repeal this president's misguided, one-size-fits-all government healthcare plan immediately.

What would he put in its place? The numbers from Texas under his leadership read like an Rx for anemia:

  • Percent of Population Uninsured - 1st
  • Percent of Non-Elderly Uninsured - 1st
  • Percent of Low Income Population Covered by Medicaid - 49th
  • Percent of Population with Employer-Based Health Insurance - 48th
  • Per Capita State Spending on Mental Health - 50th
  • Per Capita State Spending on Medicaid - 49th

Health Professionals per Capita:

  • Physicians - 42nd
  • Dentists - 39th
  • Registered Nurses - 44th
  • 9 votes
#1.16 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:34 AM EDT
DocPhil

oh no Kate..... 46th, like 5 th from the bottom..... 45 have less income disparity.... sorry.... that statistic didn't come across as intended.

  • 9 votes
#1.17 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:36 AM EDT
Kate In Greensboro

That's what I thought, DocPhil - 46th in income parity (or 5th in income disparity).

  • 8 votes
#1.18 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:39 AM EDT
malcontentiousExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Mountain Mike is going to post his little fact sheet every where because lefty is so afraid of Rick Perry...maybe lefty should be happy..how else would lefty stand a chance to get a leftist Governor in the state of Texas...because lefty cant beat Perry ...Lefty in the South has suffered like many Southern states on this issue....ever since civil rights Republicans have gained foothold in southern states...I am sure that is a problem that bothers lefty...but rather than try to get Perry out of the race Teaxns can try to get a lefty governor so that Texans can start paying a state income tax.

    #1.19 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:18 PM EDT
    Kate In Greensboro

    ... is going to post his little fact sheet every where because lefty is so afraid of Rick Perry...

    I often wonder why some people think fact is a bad word. Granted, it is a 4-letter word and it begins with "f" - is that the issue?

    • 10 votes
    #1.20 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:24 PM EDT
    mountainmike-1199289

    Malcontentious:

    That information came from official sources, not lefty sources. Let me know if you are going to actually post a reply with substance. For starters, stop the personal attacks and focus on the content of what I posted. If you want to dispute the numbers, where is your link, source, authoritative article/expert?

    That never happens because most of that type of criticism can only cite Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

    • 12 votes
    #1.21 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:48 PM EDT
    DLMaston

    Doc Phil.....

    While I am a Texan conservative, I am an Independent (NOT, NOT A GOPer), and I am closer to a Libertarian than anything else. In addition....I despise Rick Perry. He is a crook and a liar, as far as I am concerned. So....go get him! Hit him hard! However....as I do in many, many threads here.....you had best do so honestly. Believe me....there is plenty of trash out there on (P)Rick Perry to nail him with. So forgive me.....but I have to make a couple of very, very important corrections.

    Any Texan that pays ANY attention to Texas politics knows.....The "so-called" Texas Legislative Study Group is a whole lot of things, but the very LAST thing that it is.....is non-partisan.

    The Texas LSG is a 95% Liberal organization, started by Texas Democrats for Texas Democrats. Use their information if you choose......about half of it is accurate, but please.....do not even try to make the claim that they are "non-partisan" they are EXTREMELY partisan.
    All you have to do to confirm this is to do a simple search for all 4 of the listed officers; Garnet Coleman (D), Lon Burman (D), Eliot Nai@!$%#at (D), and Raphael Anchia (D).

    As to his Bio information....here's his official bio, without all of the garbage on the Wiki page.

    http://www.governor.state.tx.us/about/

    While he was originally a Democrat, he was a traditionalist "Blue Dog" Democrat, just like his father. Claiming that the "party left him", he became a Republican before running for Ag Commissioner in 1989/1990.

    He and his former "running buddy", Geo. W. Bush have decimated Texas public schools, and (P)Rick Perry has shown favor on numerous occasions to Middle Eastern businessmen over Texas business interest to run our highway/tollway systems and other construction projects.

    He and the Texas legislature have done a fantastic job of creating jobs. Liberals in the state are often critical of the fact that these jobs were mostly of the minimum wage variety. However, what they fail to point out is that two of our three biggest industries were practically shut down by the Obama administration.....oil and coal. Yes they are dirty.....but they are great paying jobs and had they not been shut down, those numbers would be much larger, and the average pay much higher.

    Please....go get him! Perry is horrible and I'd be glad to volunteer to help you find viable, honest information to tell the tale of the jerk that is our governor....but please.....there's more than enough info out there to bury him without using false data or to take your information from highly biased sources like the Texas LSG and try to pass them off as "non-partisan".

    • 3 votes
    #1.22 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT
    DocPhil

    DLMatson

    The wiki page does have some misleading information that I tried not to use. I indicated that he changed party in 1989 and ran for ag. commissioner afterwards. I did not try to paint Perry as a liberal, something he never was.

    As to the Texas Legislative Study Group, they have been called non-partisan by newspapers in Texas and by political watchdog groups. As a non-Texan, I can only take those words for it. The statistics that they cite are not necessarily their own, but have been drawn from other sources including the U.S. National Institute for Health, the Department of Education, the Department of Labor, etc. Granted, they probably cherry pick the statistics that show republicans in the poorest light, but they appear to be accurate statistics.

    Perry's quotes speak for themselves. These were drawn from his own speeches and newspaper quotes. When I research, I make a legitimate attempt to be accurate with my research. Am I politically biased? Yes, I am a liberal and support liberal candidates. I will not support, however, any candidate who knowingly lies to the American people for the sake of being elected.

    • 5 votes
    #1.23 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:42 PM EDT
    DLMaston

    Oh... and one of the stats MountainMike post as if it were an important stat was where Texas ranks on Union jobs (41st).

    Texas is, and has been for more than 100 years, a right-to-work state.
    We do not like Unions here in Texas.....so it is only natural that we rank low in Union jobs.

    As for the insured/uninsured numbers.....ALL of those numbers are measured including this following caveat;

    For all topics based on the CPS on statehealthfacts.org, the grouping used for analysis is the health insurance unit (HIU), which groups individuals according to their insurance eligibility, rather than by relatedness or household.
    For more details, see "Notes to Topics Based on the Current Population Survey (CPS)" at http://www.statehealthfacts.kff.org/methodology.

    Percentages may not sum to 100% due to rounding effects.

    For current Medicaid and Medicare enrollment figures, please refer to the Medicaid & CHIP and "Medicare" sections, respectively, which report enrollment data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).

    CHIP and individuals eligible for both Medicare and Medicaid (dual eligibles) are included in Medicaid.

    Other Public (Federal) includes individuals covered through the military or Veterans Administration in federally-funded programs such as TRICARE (formerly CHAMPUS) as well as some non-elderly Medicare enrollees.

    All two-year health coverage estimates are based on the Annual Social and Economic Supplement (ASEC) to the US Census Bureau's Current Population Survey (CPS). The ASEC is a survey of around 78,000 households that can be used to examine state-level trends (through multi-year averages), though with large sampling errors. It is useful for producing national estimates of the insured and uninsured populations and historical time series data.

    All single-year health coverage estimates are from the American Community Survey (ACS). The ACS is an ongoing survey of about 2 million households annually and is increasingly relied upon for more robust estimates of state-level data. Data at the county and sub-county levels are also available. Since the ACS health coverage module was implemented in 2008, there are no historical data available. Please see the U.S. Census Bureau for additional details on both surveys.

    As anybody that works with CPS knows, their numbers do include a large percentage of illegal immigrants that do not show upon any other roles as CPS services are open to anybody that can prove residency.....regardless of their residential "legality" or not.

    Not refuting anything, per se, but making certain that honesty is paramount in understand what the numbers are REALLY telling us.

    Thank you!

    • 2 votes
    #1.24 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:42 PM EDT
    HappyToSeeYa

    We can count on a teapublican whitewash with regard to current teapublican ideological stances because Karl Rove does not want any teapublicans campaigning from the radical right. Rove wants all candidates to appear to function from center right. Appearance will work for the rank and file electorate who are so caught up in the economic necessities of now that they don't or can't keep up with information to make informed voting decisions.

    I appreciate this two part series because I know I will be enlightened about Perry beyond his so-called Texas Miracle jobs.

    Thanks, DocPhil.

    • 4 votes
    #1.25 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:45 PM EDT
    DLMaston

    @Doc Phil.....why can nobody around here spell? My name is listed plainly on my posts, yet few ever get it right! Anyway....

    Your rebuttal is well taken, but changes nothing concerning my corrections.
    Believe me when I say....I will GLADLY help you find news to "Bury Perry"!
    But it must be done honestly if you want the information to have any clout.

    Your biggest clue that the Texas LGS is NOT a bi-partisan/non-partisan organization. They NEVER....NEVER refer to themselves in that manner.

    http://texaslsg.org/

    As a matter of fact, they are a 501c4 nonprofit caucus. Non-profit, not non-partisan. There is no question that their primary political motivations are driven by the liberal agenda, thus making it impossible to be "non-partisan". Shoot....they do not even have enough GOP members to legally call themselves a "bi-partisan" group!

    Again, none of this is meant to be critical! All of this just FYI.....

    Again, you let me know that you'd like the help.....this is one conservative that would gladly volunteer to do so (as my schedule will allow).

    • 2 votes
    #1.26 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:56 PM EDT
    Just My 2 Coppers

    As job creation will likely be the single more important issue in this election cycle, I expect Perry will campaign HARD on his "job creation" efforts in Texas. I do hope those who oppose Perry will hammer just as on the truth behind those "jobs"... Would be interesting to know how many of those newly hired employees are still receiving state assistance in order to survive.

    • 2 votes
    #1.27 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT
    rls8r

    Comments like mountainmike's (#1.16) and the point that he makes are important to know, but I'm afraid that folks like malcontentious and PCMan will consider them to be points in Perry's favor!

    • 3 votes
    #1.28 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:28 PM EDT
    SuperSaiyan

    I also just saw a few examples of Perry not exactly telling the truth...

    http://factcheck.org/2011/08/factchecking-perry/

    • 5 votes
    #1.29 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:44 PM EDT
    ffeineandsugar

    Interesting that in Malcontentious' little drive-by that got collapsed, there isn't one comment that speaks to the facts that were posted. Where's the rebuttal? Oh, that's right. In FoxWorld, only True Belief matters. The use of facts outside the reality tunnel is strictly prohibited. Violators will be shouted down and deported to a privately held corporate prison camp, where the results of their labor will be stamped "Made In America" and counted towards the quotas set to keep the boys and girls on K Street truthful....

    • 1 vote
    #1.30 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:18 PM EDT
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    Grisham

    Statistics don't lie and he sounds like a religious zealot that doesn't understand the concept of separation of church and state.

    Nicely written.

    • 26 votes
    Reply#2 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:42 PM EDT
    FlNutmegger

    I don't know too much about the Governor but I tend to agree with your assessment. The first words that come to mind when reading in depth analyses of his speeches is zealot! I would dread having him at the helm of our ship of state, for sure!

    • 20 votes
    #2.1 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:56 PM EDT
    malcontentiousExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Statistics don't lie and he sounds like a religious zealot that doesn't understand the concept of separation of church and state.

    If lefty really believed that then he would know Obama has created debt twices as fast as Bush

    Note...try this one on for size

    Guns dont kill people...people do....

    thanks for the laugh...havent laughed so hard...reallyy

    Nicely written.....keep tokin' buddy!

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:22 PM EDT
    Kate In Greensboro

    malcontentious - who are you calling "lefty?"

    Reported #2.2 as inflammatory and no value.

    • 6 votes
    #2.3 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:26 PM EDT
    Mark in Worcester

    Don't pick on Mal. Most children don't have access to adequate daycare during the summer months when school is out.

    • 4 votes
    #2.4 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:09 PM EDT
    Reply
    Rainbow Warrior

    Good Hair wants to create reasonable doubt and dissension, not use critical thinking or intelligence.

    I am a firm believer in intelligent design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside to theories of evolution. The State Board of Education has been charged with the task of adopting curriculum requirements for Texas public schools and recently adopted guidelines that call for the examination of all sides of a scientific theory, which will encourage critical thinking in our state's children.

    • 18 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:06 PM EDT
    Pat-#@!&!#@

    Thank you for the article, I've also clipped it for future reference.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:24 PM EDT
    DocPhil

    I'll have a second part for everyone tomorrow. Lots more information that I've found.

    • 12 votes
    #4.1 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:27 PM EDT
    mountainmike-1199289

    DocPhil:

    Thanks for the seed article and discussion. The more real information about Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann the better.

    • 4 votes
    #4.2 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:50 PM EDT
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    Vlad's dog

    Good piece DP. Waiting for the next installment.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#5 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:32 PM EDT
    SuperSaiyan

    Also, on the economic front...there's the debt that Texas has accuumlated under Perry...

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/mar/04/bill-white/white-says-texas-debt-has-doubled-under-perry/

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/13/267895/texas-debt-faster/

    http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/07/15/3225103/texas-debt-practices-contradict.html

    As well as Perry welcoming a Chinese firm, despite the national security concerns surrounding said firm...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/perry-welcomed-chinese-firm-despite-security-concern/2011/08/10/gIQAAu80EJ_story.html (Perry welcomed Chinese firm despite security concern)

    • 21 votes
    Reply#6 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:33 PM EDT
    DLMaston

    There you go, Saiyan! That piece from the Ft.Worth Star-Telegram.....that's the kind of stuff you can hang Perry out to dry with! That's what I'm talking about.
    This is a fairly well known (in the D/FW area) relatively conservative columnist telling the truth! Good stuff!!

    The link from "thinkprogress.org" is mostly garbage/half-truths....but the Star-Telegram article is superb!!

    Excellent find, SS!!

    Oops! Almost missed the WashPost article! Good one too!

    • 1 vote
    #6.1 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:06 AM EDT
    SuperSaiyan

    You just don't want to admit that Perry hasn't been good.

    This is also yet another thing that Perry hasn't told the truth about...

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/aug/16/rick-perry/rick-perry-says-government-wants-require-commercia/

    • 3 votes
    #6.2 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:46 PM EDT
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    PCMan-615609

    Evidently the GOP candidate of the hour is Perry that has the liberals in a frenzy….bash away all you want, it really doesn’t matter who will become the one that takes Obama down………besides, you will not convince your opposition with this rant………your only hope is to stir the troops but you need to work harder, they are diminishing by the minute..!!

    • 1 vote
    Reply#7 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:36 PM EDT
    DocPhil

    Hopefully, this is not a rant, but a researched, documentable account of Perry's record that I'm sure the Governor will not share e with the American people. My personal feeling is that Perry is an empty suit who will be gone in a political heartbeat.

    I do feel, however, that people have a right to know what a person says and does when running for office.

    • 24 votes
    #7.1 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:04 PM EDT
    PCMan-615609

    What is your motive for singling out Perry.....??...why not Romney who clearly leads in the polls...??

    • 1 vote
    #7.2 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:35 PM EDT
    DocPhil

    there were a number of people who follow some of my articles on the vine who asked if I could do some research on Perry and write an article on him..... I started researching this guy and really found him to be very different from who his handlers were selling...... This article and the one I'll write tomorrow are the result....

    if people ask me to research other republican candidates, I'll do that..... it's something that I enjoy..... brings me back to my academic roots.

    • 24 votes
    #7.3 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:01 PM EDT
    rls8r

    DocPhil -

    Thanks for the very nice article(s). I appreciate the work you must have put into it.

    As disturbing as I find Perry's popularity - I'm even more disturbed (and alarmed) by responses to factual information about him such as that by PCMan. I would understand it if they support Perry based on a notion that his policies will be good for America - but I'm discouraged when I see that they would rather dismiss factual information about him and his record as a 'rant' rather than explain how the demonstrated results of his policies in Texas would be good for the entire U.S.

    • 13 votes
    #7.4 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:56 AM EDT
    reddirthippy

    how is pointing out what he has said the actions he has taken and the effects of those actions bashing?

    • 9 votes
    #7.5 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
    CMlawyer

    It appears that the "anybody but Obama crowd" really does not care who that anybody is or what they stand for, except that the more repulsive that anybody is to the left and the middle, the more the right likes him or her. Very devisive.

    • 8 votes
    #7.6 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:33 AM EDT
    klm-547227

    PCMan, Romney has been on the National scene for years, he has run for president before, people all across this nation know far more about Romney than they do about Rick Perry. Many of us who live in Texas believe that those who haven't a clue about the man deserve more than just the idealistic view of Perry. He has presented himself as a candidate for president and he will be examined with a fine tooth comb now. That is the way of the campaign.

    • 4 votes
    #7.7 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:23 PM EDT
    mountainmike-1199289

    Evidently the GOP candidate of the hour is Perry that has the liberals in a frenzy….bash away all you want, it really doesn’t matter who will become the one that takes Obama down………besides, you will not convince your opposition with this rant………your only hope is to stir the troops but you need to work harder, they are diminishing by the minute..!!

    I welcome Rick Perry's entry into the presidential race. In fact, I want him to have as many of those Perry rallies as possible, complete with chewing tobacco, shooting his pistol and evangelical prayer sessions. Knock yourself out!!! The best thing that could have happened for Democrats. Maybe Republicans will do us all a favor and have a Perry and Bachman ticket for the 2012 presidential election as a reality check about how far out of touch right wing Republicans are with mainstream America.

    And Republican moderates, (real) independents and cross over voters that out number the Tea Party may not bother to show up and vote.

    • 6 votes
    #7.8 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:55 PM EDT
    klm-547227

    mountainmike I'd feel the same way if I weren't so concerned that so many have lost touch enough to actually vote for those fools and that so many "democrats" are spouting off bs like sitting out this election out of disillusionment. The idea that Perry or Bachman could occupy the white house is scary stuff, way scarier than Bush ever thought about being.

    • 6 votes
    #7.9 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:59 PM EDT
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    babina

    Thanks Doc! Great comprehensive overview of Rick Perry. I look forward to your next article.

    I hope you will add number of executions he has overseen. I realize many support this practice and I was once one of them. But in my mind, when one innocent person is executed that is one too many and the practice should be stopped. And when an elected governor has a report that proves no crime was even committed and the power to stop an execution in time, you should. This allows the convicted an opportunity to attempt to right the wrong through the courts, as is what happened in another fire case with the exact same type of accident fire, the Willis case (see below*). It might still end up the same in the end, but I am certain this case would not have ended up the same since the proof is indesputible that no crime was even committed and the outcome would have been the same as it was in the Willis case.

    Any person with compassion and who is a Christian could never find out what Perry found out in that initial report and then in good conscience allow the execution to go forward unless it was for political reasons, which it was. And then he tried to cover it up.

    When I read about this case in New Yorker magazine when it was first published I was floored and beyond upset. It is unforgivable that Perry allowed an innocent man be executed when he had information proving no crime was even commiitted in plenty of time to grant a stay.

    Justice for Cameron Todd Willingham will be Perry going down in flames in this election.

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

    http://camerontoddwillingham.com/

    http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Cameron_Todd_Willingham_Wrongfully_Convicted_and_Executed_in_Texas.php

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/death-by-fire/

    *Cameron Todd Willingham was convicted in 1992 for the fire in 1991 that killed his three daughters. Four years earlier, Ernest Ray Willis was sentenced to death for setting a fire that killed two women in Iraan, Texas. Both men claimed that they were innocent of the murders. Similar arson investigat­ions – including “scientifi­c” methods that have been debunked – led to both conviction­s. But the two cases reached very different conclusion­s in 2004. Willingham was executed by lethal injection on February 17, 2004. On October 6 of the same year, Willis was freed after a state judge heard new evidence pointing to his innocence and threw out his conviction­.

    Rick Perry has the blood of Cameron Todd Willingham on his hands.

    • 15 votes
    #8 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:38 PM EDT
    Kate In Greensboro

    Can't be repeated enough:

    Rick Perry has the blood of Cameron Todd Willingham on his hands.

    Anyone who doubts it, check out The Innocence Project.

    • 9 votes
    #8.1 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:58 AM EDT
    aphill

    I have read Dr. Gerald Hurst's report, and I fully believe that Willingham was not guilty. I agree that Perry should have granted the extension of the execution date. But, it was our justice system that failed Willingham. He was found guilty by a jury of his peers; he sat in prison for 13 years; his lawyer filed several appeals. The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals denied Willingham a writ of habeas corpus a month before his execution. It is unfortunate that Willingham's lawyer seemed to defend and appeal his case with little effort because he thought he was guilty, and it was unfortunate that Dr. Hurst's report came so late. But, NONE of this has anything to do with Perry's ability to run our country.

    The same kind of crap was thrown on Huckabee in 2008 because he granted clemency to a man who committed burglary with no weapon at age 17, who thereafter went on to kill 4 police officers. What would the reaction be if Willingham had been released and committed other crimes?

    • 1 vote
    #8.2 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:35 AM EDT
    babina

    The same kind of crap? Perry had the chance and the information needed to stay his execution and chose not to. It is what it is and it is unforgivable.

    It has everything to do with Perry's ability to run this country,. It's about character and integrity, qualities Perry most definitely does not possess.

    And if you're not bothered by the blood on his hands then the article above and post 1.16 should be enough to prove Perry has no ability to run anything, especially this nation.

    • 3 votes
    #8.3 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:05 PM EDT
    klm-547227

    But, NONE of this has anything to do with Perry's ability to run our country.

    As a citizen of Texas, I beg to differ. Perry had many opportunities to stop the Willingham execution, but chose not to do so. Wilingham had commited other crimes but he was not executed for those crimes, he was executed for a crime he more than likely did not commit, that is NOT the way our criminal justice system works. None of those other crimes carried the death penalty for one thing. Perry did not save us from a serial killer or a child molester, he allowed a man to die for a crime he did not commit.

    Perry seemed to allow the execution to take place for political reasons or maybe it was because he couldn't be bothered, either way it matters, it matters alot.

    • 4 votes
    #8.4 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:29 PM EDT
    aphill

    It has everything to do with Perry's ability to run this country,. It's about character and integrity

    Oh please. I would say that Clinton lacked character and integrity, but I would also say that he was a good political leader. I would love to have a President that had both leadership qualities and character, but most political figures don't have both.

    Perry had many opportunities to stop the Willingham execution

    Many opportunities? I guess any governor has "many opportunities" to stop an execution when a prisoner sits on death row for 10+ years and usually files many appeals. But, he wasn't even presented with reasonable cause until the Hurst report, and the Court of Appeals denied it before even Perry did.

    he was executed for a crime he more than likely did not commit, that is NOT the way our criminal justice system works.

    He was found guilty by a jury of his peers through due process. THAT is how our justice system works.

    None of those other crimes carried the death penalty for one thing.

    Correct. He was not tried for any other crimes he may have committed, nor was he sentenced to death for them.

    Perry seemed to allow the execution to take place for political reasons

    There is probably some truth to this statement. Everything any politician does is for political reasons and for votes. I think that Willingham was guilty in the court of public opinion, and Perry probably did not want to lose votes.

    But, again, I do not see how this isolated event has anything to do with how he would perform as President.

    • 1 vote
    #8.5 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:24 PM EDT
    klm-547227

    If you are looking for a man with character and leadership ability don't look to Perry. He has neither. He lucked into the job first time around and has kept it because of the R behind his name.

    • 3 votes
    #8.6 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:24 PM EDT
    aphill

    If you are looking for a man with character and leadership ability don't look to Perry. He has neither. He lucked into the job first time around and has kept it because of the R behind his name.

    Honestly, Perry is not my favorite Republican candidate. But, the Willingham case has no influence on why I think other candidates are better suited for presidency. Attention should be given to his policies and how he is going to improve the economy. Everything else is just propaganda.

    • 1 vote
    #8.7 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:42 PM EDT
    Kate In Greensboro

    Everything else is just propaganda.

    No, it is not. Perry's role in the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham is not propaganda. It is fact.

    • 4 votes
    #8.8 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:50 PM EDT
    Concerned Criminal

    "Oh please. I would say that Clinton lacked character and integrity, but I would also say that he was a good political leader. I would love to have a President that had both leadership qualities and character, but most political figures don't have both."

    You just compared adultery to allowing an Innocent man to die, when all he had to do was pick up a phone to prevent it. Murder by inaction... and if it wasn't why did he go through so much trouble to cover it up?

    "Many opportunities? I guess any governor has "many opportunities" to stop an execution when a prisoner sits on death row for 10+ years and usually files many appeals. But, he wasn't even presented with reasonable cause until the Hurst report, and the Court of Appeals denied it before even Perry did."

    He had very plausible evidence available to him that should at least cast doubt on the courts decision... at least enough doubt to delay an execution for a closer examination

    "He was found guilty by a jury of his peers through due process. THAT is how our justice system works."

    The final step of the system being the Governor can overrule it if there is a mistake... like Perry should have done in this case.

    "There is probably some truth to this statement. Everything any politician does is for political reasons and for votes. I think that Willingham was guilty in the court of public opinion, and Perry probably did not want to lose votes."

    So he allowed an inocent man to die to get votes? that doesn't bother you?

    • 5 votes
    #8.9 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:53 PM EDT
    aphill

    You just compared adultery to allowing an Innocent man to die, when all he had to do was pick up a phone to prevent it. Murder by inaction... and if it wasn't why did he go through so much trouble to cover it up?

    Actually, no I didn't. You implied that it takes character and integrity to run this country. I stated an example of a recent President whose character and integrity are clearly lacking but was successful as a leader of this country.

    The final step of the system being the Governor can overrule it if there is a mistake... like Perry should have done in this case.

    That is absolutely incorrect. In Texas, the Governor can only grant clemency upon a written recommendation of a majority of the Board of Pardons and Paroles.

    So he allowed an inocent man to die to get votes? that doesn't bother you?

    I don't know that for a fact. But, I would again say that every single thing a politician does is done with the intention of maintaining or gaining votes. It is my opinion that Perry did not believe he was killing an innocent man.

    • 1 vote
    #8.10 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:13 PM EDT
    itstoolate

    Let's not forget the statement " it takes balls to execute an innocent man" they knew what they were doing and so did Perry. Perry could of stopped it but he did not, they love the death penalty in Texas, it gives Perry the chance to play God.

    • 3 votes
    #8.11 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:50 PM EDT
    aphill

    Let's not forget the statement " it takes balls to execute an innocent man" they knew what they were doing and so did Perry.

    That was a statement from some primary voter, not Perry. Who is "they"?

    Perry could of stopped it but he did not

    The only thing Perry could have done is grant a one-time 30 day extension. That would not have necessarily stopped the execution.

    • 1 vote
    #8.12 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:59 PM EDT
    Concerned Criminal

    "Actually, no I didn't. You implied that it takes character and integrity to run this country. I stated an example of a recent President whose character and integrity are clearly lacking but was successful as a leader of this country."

    Actually yes you did, by comparing the integrity of Bill (an adulterer) and the integrity of Perry, (a man who allowed the execution of an Innocent man) you are comparingan adulterer with a murderer. And then you went on to say Perry couldn't have stopped it... and then said he could have stopped it for 30-days... so if he knew he was innocent and didn't stop it to the best of his abilities he failed to act human and allowed an innocent man to die.

    • 3 votes
    #8.13 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:09 PM EDT
    aphill

    Actually yes you did, by comparing the integrity of Bill (an adulterer) and the integrity of Perry, (a man who allowed the execution of an Innocent man) you are comparingan adulterer with a murderer.

    I am not going to continue this circular argument with you because you seem to be missing my point. I think it is quite bold of you to label Perry a murderer. You are awfully quick to call a man found guilty in a court of law "innocent", and yet you say a man who had nothing to do with the verdict or sentencing of him is a "murderer."

    And then you went on to say Perry couldn't have stopped it.

    YOU claimed above that Perry had the sole power to overrule the court's verdict, which I corrected you on.

    and then said he could have stopped it for 30-days

    Yes, the governor has the power to grant a 30 day stay of execution.

    so if he knew he was innocent

    At this point, I don't think anybody "knows" beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was innocent (or not guilty). And, I certainly never claimed that Perry knew him to be innocent.

    • 1 vote
    #8.14 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT
    Concerned Criminal

    "At this point, I don't think anybody "knows" beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was innocent (or not guilty). And, I certainly never claimed that Perry knew him to be innocent."

    you don't have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone is innocent to stay an execution you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are guilty for them to be executed. Perry had evidence that cast doubt on whether he was guilty, had the power to prevent it and let him die. That is murder.

    • 2 votes
    #8.15 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:33 PM EDT
    aphill

    prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are guilty for them to be executed.

    I think that the jury felt the prosecution had done that when they reached a guilty verdict.

    Perry had evidence that cast doubt on whether he was guilty, had the power to prevent it

    So did the Court of Appeals when they denied him. Are they all murderers in your opinion as well? Again, Perry granting a 30 day extension would not have necessarily prevented the execution.

    • 1 vote
    #8.16 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:42 PM EDT
    Concerned Criminal

    You are missing the key piece: Perry had evidence that neither the jury nor the appeals court had seen. Evidence that at least casts doubt on whether or not he was guilty. The jurors and the appeals court made the right decision with the evidence they were presented with. Perry failed to do his job as the final check on capital punishment by ignoring the evidence and not allowing the man one more appeal before killing him. A 30-day extension would have been more then enough for whatever @!$%#ed up system texas has to determine if the man deserved a retrial or not.

    • 2 votes
    #8.17 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:21 AM EDT
    aphill

    Perry had evidence that neither the jury nor the appeals court had seen.

    Do you have a link to back up that statement? Because the Court of Appeals denied him a writ of habeas corpus about a month before his execution date, which was right around the time Dr. Hurst's report surfaced and the same time that Willingham sent the report to the Governor's office. So, I would argue that the Court of Appeals possessed the same evidence that you say Perry did.

    • 1 vote
    #8.18 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:19 AM EDT
    Concerned Criminal

    "Thirteen years later, in the days leading up to Willingham’s execution, his attorneys sent the governor and the Board of Pardon and Parole a report from Gerald Hurst, a nationally recognized arson expert, saying that Willingham’s conviction was based on erroneous forensic analysis. Documents obtained by the Innocence Project show that state officials received that report but apparently did not act on it. Willingham was executed by lethal injection in Huntsville on February 17, 2004. "- from The Innocence project link above. So with this report Perry COULD have and SHOULD have postponed the execution for 30 days to give the Pardon and Parole board time to review it and possibly allow a retrial.

    • 2 votes
    #8.19 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:21 PM EDT
    aphill

    Thirteen years later, in the days leading up to Willingham’s execution, his attorneys sent the governor and the Board of Pardon and Parole a report from Gerald Hurst,

    You have not contradicted my point with this statement. You affirmed in #8.17 that Perry had evidence that the Court of Appeals was not privy too, and that is simply not true. The court denied him a writ of habeas corpus with access to the same information that the Governor's office had.

    I have read the Hurst report, and I believe he was not guilty. But, the blame should not be placed on the shoulders of this one man. And, it certainly doesn't have anything to do with how he would perform as President. This story will be widespread in an effort to slander his campaign. If you don't think he will be a good President because of his policies, that is understandable. But, this is along the same lines as saying Bachmann is unfit for presidency because she gets migraines; it's completely irrelevant.

    • 1 vote
    #8.20 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:54 PM EDT
    Concerned Criminal

    Think what you will. If an innocent man died on my watchand i failed to use any means i had available to stop it... then i would feel guilty. Especially if i failed to act solely for political reasons. But hell its Texas... hang em high and let em dry!

    • 4 votes
    #8.21 - Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:04 AM EDT
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    BLOGER-486140

    Those statistics are classic Banana Republic. Perry's future for America is Honduras or Nigeria.

    • 14 votes
    Reply#9 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:19 PM EDT
    top39new

    Egad!

    Can someone please research the concept: starve the beast, and tell us which set of politicians agreed to it?

    • 2 votes
    #9.1 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:58 PM EDT
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    sistagirl

    Thanks Doc for your article and I hope the media will do some investigation too. I know MSNBC evening tv host will for sure.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#10 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:34 PM EDT
    Mac Forrester

    Doc Phil: Your findings are no surprise. Basically for the last 20 years or so Texas has become "the Alabama of the 60's" on steroids. Exposing Perry to the rest of the country will help deflate the illusory opinions of him held by too many who are looking for anyone but Obama. Even then our greatest problem will be Obama, unless he quickly becomes the President he promised us he would be. Looking forward to your next installment. Thanks

    • 12 votes
    Reply#11 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:00 PM EDT
    0pinion8ed

    Excellent article Doc, hope your next one will include his membership in alec and his 'emergency legislation' requirements for the last legislative session.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#12 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:50 AM EDT
    Stevie-445471

    Thank you, great article. This is one Christian that will not be voting for Rick Perry or any other candidate that will market my sacred beliefs to get elected.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#13 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:13 AM EDT
    steven-791492

    The more we learn, the less we like him.

    .... and starting as low as he did, we are now in the sub-basement.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#14 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:20 AM EDT
    AlKhidr

    People who think that Perry is too far to the right and too religious have already forgotten that these things were true of the previous governor from Texas who stayed in the White House for eight years. I not only think Perry will end up being the nominee for his party, but I also think he could very well be elected president. Don't misconstrue my opinion here as support in any way, but I think Perry gives off that strutting cowboy image that a lot of Americans want. I also think he can easily get the corporate backing that he'll need to manipulate the media in his favor. Indeed, he already seems to have done this.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#15 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:18 AM EDT
    Lisafrequency

    Are we going to let the medias elect the President of the USA again?

    • 6 votes
    #15.1 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:24 AM EDT
    AlKhidr

    They usually do because the public is too ignorant to research anything. I still recall the asinine question where folks were polled on which candidate they would be most comfortable drinking a beer with. Yeah, just what I want in a president--a guy who chug-a-lugs and hams it up in a bar instead of solving the nation's problems.

    • 2 votes
    #15.2 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:48 AM EDT
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    itstoolate

    Thank you for making more people aware of what Texans have been painfully aware of for so long. I look forward to more articles. I would encourage everyone to look deeply into this canidate, he is not at all what he presents himself as.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#16 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:58 AM EDT
    1devon

    Let him be the president of Texas. I'm still waiting for him to fulfill the promise to secede.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#17 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:14 AM EDT
    Lisafrequency

    He as more dirt on him than a rug at the entrance of grand central station

    Child sex abuse scandal

    http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/10942/rick-perrys-coverup-and-corruption-texas-youth-commission

    • 5 votes
    Reply#18 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:15 AM EDT
    itstoolate

    Oh do not get me started on TYC, it is a joke and a massive waste of money. I have friends that work there and they are assaulted, both verbally and physically on a daily basis and can not do a thing about it because Perry has adopted a hands of policy since the above problem. Riots are common place and the students do not have to show any respect for the staff. If a staff member is hurt there they a whisk through a back door at the local hospital to keep it away form the media. This is just a tip of a huge iceberg.

    • 2 votes
    #18.1 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:27 AM EDT
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    Luther28

    He lost me (not that he was ever close to having me) when god came into the mix. We have already had that brand of insanity over eight years.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#19 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:17 AM EDT
    1standlastword

    Can't people see Perry is Bush revisited. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 3 votes
    Reply#20 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:10 AM EDT
    klm-547227

    You think Bush was bad, you aint seen nothing yet. Perry makes Bush look fantastic.

    • 3 votes
    #20.1 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:32 PM EDT
    Lisafrequency

    @kim547227

    I agree with you...

    • 1 vote
    #20.2 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:37 PM EDT
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    ettenna

    DocPhil--I appreciate all your work. What we need are more like you who take the time to gather the information and put it together in a panoramic view. Most of the crooks count on our compartmentalization and long term memory loss...Thanks for the article

    • 2 votes
    Reply#21 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:28 AM EDT
    Shub Tnediserp Remrof

    LAst night I was watching C-span and they were talking about rick perry. One thing they mentioned was that he tried to sell the roads in texas to a foriegn company, but it didn't pass. Also he hasn't had much expierence when dealing with the other side of the aisle.

    Why asre we talking about yet another texas politcian again?

    • 3 votes
    Reply#22 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:29 PM EDT
    klm-547227

    Also he hasn't had much expierence when dealing with the other side of the aisle.

    When Bush was governor he worked across the aisle, Perry has refused to do so. So it's not so much a lack of experience but a refusal.

    • 4 votes
    #22.1 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:34 PM EDT
    itstoolate

    He also tried very hard to take property owners property rights away from them. The TTC was just one of many.

    • 1 vote
    #22.2 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:52 PM EDT
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    jupmod

    Pretty much as I would expect from a far-right conservative who puts religion and Big Business ahead of the needs of the people. He's pretty much want America to become a theocractic corporate nation than a nation that represents 'We The People'.

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    Reply#23 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:37 PM EDT
    ivorybill

    Well, Jesus said, His Bible reads, that the rich man will find it the hardest to reach salvation. Why??..so why would.. "The God", a god, make such a claim?..............I would like to see those to whom we choose to run our country, be one of no assets, other than a richness to constitution, their own, so as through wisdom they inhance the one they pledge to.

      Reply#24 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:55 PM EDT
      Scrimminy Bimminy

      "That government which governs best, governs least." Whoever can convince me they truly want to reduce the size, scope and power of our federal government will be the candidate I vote for. A good government is essential. Ours is just too big.

        Reply#25 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:21 PM EDT
        Kate In Greensboro

        It isn't the size that's the problem - it's the excesses, fraud, and corruption.

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        #25.1 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:36 PM EDT
        hugh b

        I'm always interested in how and where government would be reduced in size.

        If you decrease regulations you wind up with economic debacles, oil rig explosions, and unchecked corporate pollution and fraud.

        Bottom line corporations, businesses, rich people can't be and should not ever be trusted.

        Campaign reform, term limits, elimination of the sickness of lobbyists. And eliminate any gd religious influence.

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        #25.2 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:39 PM EDT
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